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Thunk 14:
Is it worse to slap a child or to torture a cat?
Is it worse to slap a child or to torture a cat?
59 comments:
It's worse to torture a cat in my opinion. Although slapping a child may lead to some psychological trauma, in the past it was seen as normal and even though it's less socially approved of today, it is still seen as something that is necessary in some situations. Slapping a child may mean that either the child has done something to deserve it or that simply the other person has a short temper or problems with children. A cat is unlikely to do something so terrible that it deserves to be tortured for it. That means that the person doing the torturing is doing it for one's pleasure only, which suggests a cruel and demented mind. While slapping a child may be justified in some cases, torturing a cat is going to be harder to justify.
While it is definitely considered to be wrong and degrading to slap a child, I'd say torturing a cat is worse. Some believe that the only way to have a child obey you is to either shout at them, or slap them. This is entirely upto the person/people bringing up child. Whereas, torturing a cat does no one any good seeing as the cat isn't learning a lesson, and is just going through mindless pain. Why torture without reason?
Slapping a child is considered a method of torture but is generally done for a specific reason, and sometimes might be the only way to control an uncontrollable child. Cats are mere peaceful animals that we keep as house-pets, the worst they can do is bite a person. A child can get over being slapped and told off, but a cat would probably be disrupt and halfdead if tortured.
They're both immoral and unacceptable - to me at least -, but to torture a cat is worse because it's a sign of cowardice. A child may develop a psychological or mental problem due to the slap but he can always confront whoever slapped him/her about it, probably later on in his life. But a cat can't speak for itself, it would just be tortured for the sake of it. For no apparent reason.
I don't think slapping a child is a way of disciplining them, even if they did something that could be seen as fatally wrong (shoplift or something). But in this particular case, I'd say it's worse to torture a cat.
In my opinion, yes, it is worse to torture a cat. I am completely against harming children and feel that resorting to hitting them is horrible, but sometimes it is the only form of discipline that works, as cruel as it is. But, as Nadine said, a child can talk back, or can retort or speak to someone about it. There must've been a justified reason to slap a child (i.e. them doing something wrong) but torturing a cat? That's taking cruelty to a whole new level. They can't do anything about it, the innocent little kitty probably didn't even know what hit it. It's sadistic, and disgusting, and absolutely pathetic.
I'm not saying I enjoy watching children being slapped, and I'm not saying it's the best way of discipline; but comparitively, I feel torturing a cat is way worse. A child might be able to get over it, which psychological and physical help; but can a cat?
...Well I'm not going to completely agree with what everyone has said here. And I really would disagree with some of the points raised.
I respect animals sure, but to think that a child will just 'get over it' is absurd. I'm not saying the cat is going to be very happy, but in my opinion the cat will forget about it much quicker than a cat. And once again, I don't personally think that a cat would have feelings, especially to hold a grudge against a person...
Arrgh... its quite hard to describe what I'm thinking instead of verbally producing it! To a certain degree, torturing a cat would be justifiable (in comparison to/)as opposed hitting a (Poor, innocent, little) child. But after crossing a certain line giving a (Rowdy, disobediant, mischievous) child a slap doesn't sound to bad.
Torturing a cat or anything for that matter, in my opinion, is done out of sheer pleasure. No sort of benefit can come from it. It also points out that the person doing it has severe psychological problems, which could lead to the individual into committing even more unimaginable sins and crimes.
A slap, however immoral, inhumane, cruel and evil it may seem, is nothing compared to the physical torture of another living being. A slap could be the result of the child's misbehaviour, impoliteness or else something which would have caused the adult to carry it out. Or it may just be that the adult is short tempered, thinks it is the best way to discipline/teach something to his/her child or the adult might just find some sort of personal pleasure in doing so.
Both acts are considered sins, though they are not even KIND of close to being on the levels near to each other. So in conclusion, I would most certainly think that the torturing of an innocent animal, who can in no way protect itself or stand up for itself, is much worse than the slapping of a child, although both are extremely cruel in my subjective opinion.
I know this blogsite is all about opinions but I just have to say this to Duwane,
Of course the child would not get over it so easily, especially if he/she has done nothing to deserve it. But they most certainly will be able to stand up for themselves, speak their minds, and justify they causes and actions, in protection of their beliefs and rights. Or else, they have the knowledge to understand that if they have done something wrong, they will learn from their mistakes(just to clarify, I am totally against the abuse of children, or anyone for that matter)
However,
Do you really think the tortured animal has the same rights entailed to it? Do you think it can stand up for itself? Especially when the torturer could be the animal's owner who it trusts the most. It will probably think he/she is playing a game, but when it gets too far, how will the animal get away, when hurt beyond repair. And would probably be disposed of after the person has acquired whatever sick, vile closure he/she was aiming for.
Still think slapping a child is worse?
definitely without a doubt i can state that torturing a cat is far worse!!! a child may have done something to deserve a slap and at times a good slap is a good way for a parent to discipline a child, it is another question all together if the child is brutally beaten up but then again being human a child is capable of intelligently expressing himself or one is able to explain and reconcile with an upset child. but why torture an animal?? what good reason could there be for such a horrifc act?? there can never be a logical explanation!!!
Torturing a cat or slapping a child just goes to show that you have a mean streak in you. A kind and just person...a logical person would never choose either one.
But if a had to choose i would torture the person who slapped the child or tortured the cat! :p
^ Hmm... Sanjana - what if you slapped the child who tortured the cat?
Well, Torturing a cat is a much worse form of abuse compared to slapping a child. The child may be slapped commonly because of bad behavior, whereas torturing a cat plainly implies that the person doing so, has mental issues.
A child isnt helpess and can show a reaction to being slapped either by crying or altering their behavior. A cat on the other hand is a helpless animal apart from being able to scratch who ever it doesnt like =P
Well, slapping a child has its reasons, the child could be misbehaving or rude which is why someone would probably want to slap the child plus I dont think the kid would become traumatized from one slap, not unless its one uber hard slap or the kid constantly gets hit. Whereas torturing a cat is just pathetic, anyone who'd even think of doing that is probably a psycho. So, yeah... I think its way worse to torture a cat.
nikol
haha
well i despise cats
i would torture one anyways
(im kidding to all you whiney cat lovers)but yeah i guess its wrong to do that too
come to think of it if Garfield was tortured id be pretty sad.
its worse to torture a cat.
ive been slapped heaps , its not that traumatizing really, to be honest it did me some good. I think all parents should slap their kids (if you don't agree you need to watch Russel peters on beating your children - hilarious stuff)
however for random people to go around slapping children
well
its not that big a deal..even if it did happen.Not that i would let my child be slapped by a stranger but .. if it happend it wouldn't be the end of the world.
seriously you guys , if you think that a child is going to develop a mental problem from a slap then your being dramatic and you need to give yourself a slap.
true lots of kids pretend or convince themselves that their life is horrible cause they were scarred by a slap but they should have gotten a few more so they wouldn't be such dramatic sissys.
So what if you have a little trauma,lifes hard , there are more traumatic things coming your way, slapping a kid a bit may just toughen them up for the real world.Not that everyone should be walking around slapping themselves all the time (fight club ..anyone?)
Its different if the child was like abused or something, one slap ! is just .. what everyone needs once in a while.
Hmmmm...
Lets see, I've Slapped kids and have been slapped,
I've also tortured a cat before...........
(Yes yes as you say I'm a bad person) And have experianced something close to torture.
So If I had too choose which one is worse then it's torturing the cat, I'm not gonna bother saying why since we have the sense to already know.
I guess my answer could be the most "Correct" since i'm talking from experiance since I've done both things.
"Spare the rod and spoil the child"
Disciplining a child can be very hard work, and sometimes, a slap or two are the only ways left by which a stubborn child can be straightened out (Being a very stubborn person, yes, I've been hit, but in a way, it straightened me up =])
Slapping a child for fun is a different story though...
Torturing a cat would just be completely evil. What did the cat ever do to you? Is your life that pathetic and are you that much of a coward that you can only pick on smaller things that are utterly defenseless against you?
Torture = excruciating pain which can lead to death, since humans tend to go too far due to the fact that they dont know when exactly to stop + psychological trauma.
Slap = momentary pain + psychological trauma.
Btw, just because someone/ something forgives quickly doesnt make it the lesser evil. After hitting the cat, it would just be completely heartbreaking if, battered and bruised, it would still look upon you with the same innocent, loving eyes, still seeing you in an affectionate light after all the things you've put it thru..
:(
P.S. Serial killers start out with torturing and killing animals. Then they move on to torturing and killing children. Then adults.
yay. -_-
I think torturing a cat would be worse. Not that a child should be slapped but kids nowadays (including all of us) just shrug and make a mental note of repeating the same mistake again if they are slapped. Lol.
But torturing something that is more or less physically incapable of hurting you is just mean and cowardly. Unless it starts scratching you. Even then, torture would be unneccesary.
ZAID :@ You tortured a cat because..?
I think that torturing a cat is much worse than slapping a child.
Animals can't speak and by torturing them you won't achieve anything. If you are torturing the cat because s/he has does something wrong then im afraid you are not achieving much as cats don't think like humans; they don't relate two matters together, for example: If the cat ripped your pillow up, and you started brutally hitting it, it would be terribly confused! Therefore by hitting it, it doesen't know it has done something wrong! Discipline does not mean torture or abuse!!
I would slap a kid any day rather than torture a cat because I hate kids! :P especially noisy ones!
Honestly, I think they're both equally unacceptable... but since I'll have to pick a side I'd choose that torturing a cat is worse.
A child is normally slapped as a result of doing something wrong or showing ill-mannered behaviour and honestly, sometimes, I feel they deserve the slap/punishment handed to them.
A cat, on the other hand, is innocent! Apart from, maybe, the occasional mouse-killing (but that is a benefit to us anyway). I feel that torturing a cat would be utterly unnecessary because people torture them out of sheer pleasure or for their own amusement and they achieve nothing out of it.
Both are very (in my opinion) irrational and I find doing any are completely irrelevant, and, basically, idiotic. Since I have to choose...
I would go with slapping a child is worse, because there is a prolonged agony. Cats are helpless to avoid us when we torture them, but, it mainly counts on the person who is doing the torturing. Slapping a child will leave a permanent mark, if not physically, then mentally, and that person will remember that slap, especially if the slapper is not a relative, therefore, in mine opinion, the slapper will experience guilt, sometime in the future, and the child will feel anger, betrayal and, possibly, fright. A human shows the pain, shows the humiliation, shows the anger, and most other feelings, but a cat does not.
It does sound a bit irrational, but a person who slapped a child, and who tortured a cat, will feel most of the guilt pointing to the child getting slapped, but the cat (even though I find this very stupid to do), believe it or not, can be tougher than humans, especially when it comes to pain. More guilt will result in the child getting slapped, less will go towards the cat being tortured, but, this does not only infect the inflicter, but the observers. When people see others getting slapped, purposelly and not for a joke, the feeling is usually pity, or anger to the inflicter, especially a child. The child will not understand, and will not take precautions next time. A cat will, because the cat has a mind of instinct.
I find both very unsettling, but the slap will leave a mark, that will result in future occurances to the inflicted, inflicter and the observer(s). The cat will also feel the pain, but it will remember to stay low and see danger when it comes. A child cannot predict a moment like that. Both show cowardice, and slapping a child, or torturing a cat, does not relieve any person of their emotional distress whilst doing such an action.
Mr Roberts,
Slapping the child who tortured the cat...
Interesting view, but, yet, I would not do it. Instead, I would rather sit down with the child, and talk persuasively, and try to make that child understand the meaning of inflicting pain. If this does not work, then it will be a hard tug on the collar, or on the elbow, maybe even a light slap, if it continues, but not a smack-of-a-slap, because it just makes that child angry, and that child will not neccessarily stop.
Mo,
1. I was joking when I said "what if you slap the child who tortured the cat." You're the only one who didn't get that.
2. I don't think you understand what "torture" implies. If you do, I'm stuggling to understand how you can spend so many lines trying to reconcile the pain of a momentary slap with the prolonged agony a cat would suffer. In fact, very little of your comment makes sense to me - I don't know about the others.
Zaid,
Just so we're clear on this - I think it's despicable that you claim you've tortured a cat. If I were you, I wouldn't brag about it.
Raising your hand - or anything, for that matter - with the intention to hurt them is a horrible thing to do in any case. I don't approve of slapping children at all because if you do it often, two things might happen - either your child will grow up with a...bit of a dislike to authority (I've seen this happen) or they will become immune to it completely.
OF COURSE, some kids might not be effected by the slap at all, in which case it's a highly ineffectual and pointless thing to do. Sometimes, psychological pain is worse than physical pain, like giving your child the cold shoulder etc. But you know what? Every kid should be slapped once in a while. And I don't mean to send them reeling across the room, but just enough to let them know that they need to be brought down to size, if talking doesn't work.
Getting back to the point at hand - you don't know what that cat is going through. A child has the ability to understand, something which, I believe at least, a cat can't. How are you going to go to the cat later, take it in your arms, and tell it that you're sorry? You can always make amends with another person...cats, not so much. Not all of us are Pocahontas(es) or Na'vi, sadly enough (I'd like to be that tall though). You can't cuddle it and go "I'm sorry, kitty-cat."
...if anything, that'll just prove what a sociopath you are.
They're both horrible in their own ways, but I think it's worse to torture a cat because it can't speak up for itself.
...and what possible reason could you have for hurting a domestic animal?
Well, as many people have said slapping a child can have very valid reasons, bad behavior being the primary reason, on the other hand torturing is NOT ok at ANY level! Torture of anything at all is unacceptable. Ok so there's debate as to whether a slap can be harmful to the child's psychological stability, well truth is, children are not dumb, they know that when they misbehave they will be disciplined (only if they are brought up like that), in this case, the child will not suffer from psychological angst. Going back to the cat, not only will it suffer painfully, but it will not be able to voice its suffering or inform someone of what has taken place. So after all this pondering,i think it's definitely not ok to torture a cat.
Slapping a kid and torturing a cat are both worse than each other. If you slap a kid to correct him/her, you are conveying to that kid the idea that, if you think something is right and someone else is doing it another way which you consider wrong, then violence is the way to get that sorted. Or that, if someone doesnt listen to you even after you've repeated the same thing again and again, then you slap that person to make him/her understand. And torturing a cat would be bullying it as you would obviously be stronger than a pet cat, this would be considered anti-social. By torturing a cat you are only increasing the gap between Humans and Animals. The cat will store in its brain that a Human tortured Me, and maybe next time never go to a Human or attack a Human instead. I would say both are unexceptable and worse than each other.
^So Sonal,
If you saw one of your friends' dad slap him and another friend's dad cut off a cat's legs and then burn it alive, which action would you consider worse?
You're hedging your bets when you say each action is worse than the other :)
In this situation, torturing the cat has a intensity. That would be worse. But what if that person slapped his kid, and the kid, in future had hearing problems? Would'nt that kid suffer all his/her life?
more intensity*
^ Sonal
Parents slap kids all the time all over the world. I'm against it, of course - I'm against all forms of corporal punishment.
So, if I saw a parent slap a child in a super market, I'd raise my eyebrows but wouldn't say anything. If, however, I saw a person torturing a cat (or any animal) you bet I'd give him a piece of my mind and do my best to stop him.
That said, if I saw a person beating a child with force I'd intervene. (But that's not what the thunk asks).
Judging by some of the comments I think some of you have led a very sheltered life. The word torture doesn't seem to mean anything concrete. Here are just three examples of the things done in Dubai over the last few decades that I've personally come across:
1)A cat had a firecracker thrown into its mouth and had its mouth tied closed.
2)Two cats were tied to each other with a metal wire.
3)Cats were released on Shaikh Zayed road for the fun of watching them dodge cars speeding at a 1OO mph.
How one can even begin to compare these things with a slap is beyond me. As a kid my dad slapped me - big deal. He didn't know any better. I'm over it. But if I saw him do any one of the above, I wouldn't be on speaking terms with him.
in my opinion torturing a cat would be words . like rahul said . "animals cant speak for themselves"
they cant justify their actions
and why torture a cat anyway ?. did it do something SO wrong that it needs to be treated this way ?. i don't think a cat is capable of doing something soo wrong .
if a person slaps a child .its definitely for a reason .
the child must have done or said something he/she wasn't supposed to
assuming that the child is of a somewhat reasonable age , and the parent doesn't have a short temper.i think the child will be able to distinguish between actions that are right or wrong ..and by choosing to do wrong the child needs to be disciplined
Sir, the word torture really is concrete. I agree with you that torturing a cat or anyone else is very wrong. But it can be compared to slapping someone. Torturing a cat will have severe physical damage and lesser mental damage on it. Whereas, slapping a Child might have lesser physical but more mental damage. After reading the examples you've listed, I get what side of this thunk you are looking from. If I think of it the same way, then yes, toturing is worse than slapping. But if you think of it from another perspective, slapping can be worse than torturing. (As it may depend on the length of the impact - it might be a short term or a long term impact.)
Well its obvious torching a cat is far worse than slapping a child…
Though these two things are incomparable.
Mr. Roberts,
It did not look like a joke, since I speed-read through the other comments, then type my own, but it sounded appropriate to this thunk, and was, actually, an interesting point.
Sir, I understand your perspective, but I have looked at this from all angles, and I summed up with half my mind on the slap, and the other on the cat, but I have read countless books on human behaviour and Psychology, therefore I took the child slapping the worst one. "Torture" differs in understanding from person to person, and if I took it to the maximum level, applying a maximum level of impact of a slap aswell, then I saw that the slap was worse, that is it.
Also, in some martial arts, including mine, students from a Junior level of progression already know how to kill with a slap. It sounds simple, but same way in a cat being tortured sounds so complex, but it is actually the complete opposite. If you did not understand my comment, sir, it was mainly because your attention was aimed towards the cat being tortured, which I can see why with the examples you have shown, which are devestating, but a slap, in my opinion, is never a momentarily piece of pain. But, sir, "torture" is an unfair comparison to a slap, why not make it if the child gets tortured in the same way as a cat? It would be obvious what everyone's answer would be then, and that is what I am stating.
^ Mo, you are making the same error in understanding that Sonal and Zaid are. You are unable to see the difference between "harass" and "torture."
If we were to compare torturing a child to torturing a cat like you suggest then there would be no need to have a discussion.
Also, no one's talking about Judo slaps. That should be obvious.
Just showing slaps are not always that harmless, and a martial art slap differs by an inch of a normal slap, meaning anyone can accidentaly do it.
Then sir, what is the point of comparing something that is obviously worse than the other, knowing that most will side with the cat, and less with the slapping?
I don't think slapping is classified as harrasment, because a hard slap would mean that it is no joke, and a light one will mean it is a joke, so any change in strength can alter the emotions and, maybe, the physical reaction to the slap.
^ What's the point of the thunk?
1)To see whether one can appreciate that other mammals also have a nervous system and feel EXACTLY the same kind of physical pain we do.
2 To examine whether we humans have the right to do as we please with animals.
3) To think about the meaning of "torture."
4) To appreciate the fact that other mammals are also sentient.
(Obviously, not everyone sides with the cat - it's quite apparent where your sympathies lie - we don't have to agree. But you inform me that you've read "countless books on psychology" and then evince an inability to correlate it with the fact that at least half the kids in our school have been slapped and don't suffer from crippling mental trauma.
If a student were to slap a child we'd suspend him. If he were to "torture" a cat - we'd send him for serious psychological counseling. The point of this thunk was for me to discover who couldn't see the basic difference between the two. I believe it has served it's purpose. I have nothing more to say on this topic.
Well both aren't exactly the best forms of being humane, but I have to say torturing a cat is much much worse! Slapping a child is of course wrong, but normally the child must have done something to deserve it. Cats are animals, they don't know the difference between right and wrong, it's just not in their cirriculum. Also torture goes a lot farther than slapping does.
I think torturing a cat is worse than slapping a child because as mentioned above torturing a helpless and defenseless creature is just cowardice.
Aisha Bashir
10g2
I've been slapped as a kid, and I have no 'physical or psychological trauma'.
People are given slaps when you deserve one, when you are rude or just misbehave. I agree with Jessica, people here are being dramatic; one slap isn't going to cause you great trauma.
However, torture, and I mean, proper torture, is just messed up, you have to have issues to willingly hurt another human being or animal is this cause. *cough Zaid cough*
The cat is going to be scared of people the rest of its life. It can't have done anything to you for you to wish it great excruciating pain or even death. In my opinion, torturing a cat is way worse.
** or animal in this case
sorry was just checking on the comments again
mo ..
As I can see Mr. Roberts got tired of repeating his point ..
slapping a kid is not a serious matter compared to torturing a cat.. even though thats obviously your opinion..
anywho just wanted to point out that
no matter how hard the slap and from who , this "mental" trauma as you say .. is probably just a result of the child feeling sorry for them self..
and your point of ..
"countless psychology books " ?
and no offense to psychology , its a valid subject .. but its the study of how any life even/occurrence has effected a person ..negative or positive .. (With biological proof or not ..)
a psychologist would also ask questions like if your mother never sang to you as a child would it have affected you ? .. really anything these days can be studied under psychology as it is concerned with the study of human behavior
so yeah obviously it would have something to say about slapping children.. and how its negative , although thats probably cause thats the way the person viewed it..
so whats wrong with a bit of negativity , pardon my French but shit happens ? .. what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger right..
unless your a whiny baby (really couldn't think of a more appropriate label) about it and decide to have a sulk as opposed to moving on with your life and learning from this so called trauma.
so . you say slapping a child is scarring and oh so traumatic..
makes the child feel inferior or .. ruined..
" no one can make you feel inferior without your consent"
Elanor Roosevelt said that..
so most of this trauma , not all trauma , but especially trauma in this case ,trauma resulting from a slap ..
is
the inability to stop whining about the negative things of life and take it for what it is.
or
over reaction or drama
and your kinda encouraging it.
p.s I'm not saying that if you have the opinion that slapping children is wrong is silly
I'm saying if you think that slapping a child will both naturally and genuinely traumatize them for their life....
well that that's rather silly
Jessica,
Judging from the words that you typed, I can tell you this:-
1) You were angry, and still are, and will be after reading this comment.
2) No offence, but you have not the faintest idea of Psychology, and its place in Philosophy and life.
3) This thunk is a one-way answer, meaning that it was meant for everyone to answer in an expected way, and in this case, that "torturing the cat" was the answer. All I was doing was trying to balance the two sides, so I rearranged the slap with a stronger emphasis, and, in this manner, I was able to stabilise the two points, and conclude.
4) What about if you slapped a child, hard, and that child went insane and ran around killing cats? Sounds unlikely, but it happens more frequently than you can imagine, and is now increasing, and is getting worse, so instead of killing cats, the child grabs another child and kills him, and then a chain starts.
5) By the way you type, I can see that your thoughts are very mundane. Also, using the spacebar frequently does not provide a better emphasis to the words you type.
6) Re-read my comments and try to understand that my point was not over the trauma.
7) Your comment just repeated what I have already heard, making it useless and just a matter of emotion.
In no way do I mean offence, just stating the obvious.
^No Mo, I will NOT have this! There's no need to attack the person - in this case Jessica. Stick to the person's comments.
You had a confrontation with Nadine and Myra already on this blogsite. I'm starting to get tired of advising you.
Please consider this as a last word of caution.
*****
p.s. you may have a point in point 4 - as many serial killer come from abusive homes and start by torturing animals. But the thunk is not about abuse - but rather a slap. In the past (and even today) slapping kids was a normal part of a child's upbringing. Torturing cats was never considered normal behaviour and still isn't.
torturing a cat is way worse than slapping a child, whereas a child can get over it a cat will never trust humans again so you've baisically ruined any chance that cat had as being a well loved house pet
^Wolvesbane
Paige, is that you? Please change your username to something asociated with your name or sign your name at the end of the comment.
Both. torturing a cat is being inhumane. And slapping a child is a form of domestic violence. I am against every form of physical punishment, even something as mild as pulling one's ears. I personally hold an instant dislike for a person if i hear him using physical punishment as a mode of making chilren obey.
To me torturing a cat is worse in my opinion as slapping a child maybe immoral and socially less acceptable yet still practiced all over the world. However torturing a cat is terribly cruel as it doesnt deserve it. I once was driving past a street in Karama and these kids tied up firecrackers to a cat and lit it.
This is jessica by the way not zahra , my account isn't working .
Lol mo i think your 123 format is fun so i'll role with it
1)I was not angry , I was annoyed with your lack of evidence.
2) I actually do know about philosophy , I'm taking it in university and have actually read a book on it, probably not "countless books" like you though and the books i read aren't particularly on slapping children. how is that relevant ? my point was concerning PSYCHOLOGY and how its the study of general human behavior.. just because it has been studied doesn't make it valid.Like i said Psychology studies alot of different theories and can often make things seem bigger than they are. ex.the term Anthophobia coined by a psychologist.. sounds pretty serious right.. its the fear of flowers. There are heaps of names for ridiculous personality disorders.. because psychologists
study them .. just because its a disorder in people studied by psychologist's doesn't make it a big deal.
3) The thunk is also meant to generate a discussion and difference of point of views. I disagreed with you and expressed it ... A thunk is not meant (however) for you to make the argument personal when you run out of logical counters.
jess again , continuing , apparantly its too long
4) sorry im going to quote you " What about if you slapped a child, hard, and that child went insane and ran around killing cats?" .. The child probably would have ended up doing that anyways , if they had that kind of anger , something else other than a slap would have come along eventually and provoked it. And "Sounds unlikely, but it happens more frequently than you can imagine, and is now increasing and is getting worse" Where are you getting your information from ? www.childrenwhotorturecatsafterbeingslapped.com?.. just because you think so doesn't mean its happening. yeah there's a huge population so im sure it may happen ,But the percentage would be a tiny psychotic number. "so instead of killing cats, the child grabs another child and kills him, and then a chain starts." again - hypothetical situation , yeah it could happen ,but like i said , if the child reacts to a slap in such a way , something else would have triggered of the same kind of anger anyways, everyone experiences a minimal amount of pain of some sort in life , if it wasn't a slap that triggered it off , something else would , so his reaction would probably not be because of the slap but because of his character (since you wanted to look at the actual so called "philosophy" of this slap ?)
5)by the way i type ? or the things i say ? it is an english website, if your watching me type from my window i'd be kinda creeped out.(that was a joke don't dig into the philosophy of my ego etc now) And thankyou ? how analytical of you ? Don't worry Mr.Roberts I am not offended,Personal attacks happen when people don't have a point.
And Its called paragraphing .. and obviously it had its desired effect or you wouldn't have noticed.I could take the same attack at your bullet points but I like to embrace writing techniques..
helps you get an a in english.
6)ummm.. why don't you re-read your posts!
"Slapping a child will leave a permanent mark, if not physically, then mentally"
"but a slap, in my opinion, is never a momentarily piece of pain." (implying it leaves trauma)
"A human shows the pain, shows the humiliation, shows the anger, and most other feelings, " (Oh my gosh - does that imply trauma too ? :O)
However Im glad you asked me to re-read it , i have a new question you said "believe it or not, cats can be tougher than humans, especially when it comes to pain" - how do you know ? have you ever been a cat ? proof ?
7) My comment reinforced what you had already heard , because it needed to counter yours once more .. to attempt to make you understand the point everyone else seems to understand.
In no way do I mean offence, just stating the obvious.
Everyone else please excuse this immature banter , it seems some of us can't help but deviate from the topic.
Mr.Roberts I do apologize for my subtle immature offenses my daddy always told me never start a fight but always finish one. :P plus you have met my ego.
well in my opinion torturing a cat is alot worse than slapping a child. If you slap a child the child will easily get over it within an hour or two. but the cat doesnt know whats going on so it just sees it as unjustified pain. Torturirng a cat is a coward way of getting revenge even if the cat done something bad like pood in your garden you still dont torture a cat, not even a cat any animal for that matter. That still does not mean you can torture your child but atleast the child will be learning something from a small slap here and there.
It's worse to torture a cat in my opinion.
a cat cant speak for itself so why torture it?
im sure most of us have been slapped when we was children, but thats only when they need one.
In my opinion, slapping a child is alright provided it is their parent and they have a valid reason for doing so (being extremely disrespectful, for e.g.).
But there couldnt be more brutal and savage a thing as torturing an innocent and harmless cat. No human has the right to inflict pain on not just a cat but any harmless creature who lacks the ability to speak or fight for itself. It is simply an unacceptable, evil and inhumane act performed by barbarian humans.
If i had to pick one i would surely say that torturing a cat is much more worse than slapping a child.Even though slapping your child is a horrible thing to do,torture is a horrible thing to do especially to a living creature.
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